Joey Holder

Mutual support + surviving the game of real life with R U Still There? at House of Egorn, Oct 13 – Nov 25

9 October 2017

The R U Still There? group exhibition is on at Berlin’s House of Egorn, opening October 13 and running to November 25. 

Curated by Annika Kuhlmann and The Mycological Twist, the show includes work by Anne de Boer, Eloise Bonneviot, Viktor Timofeev, Joey Holder, Gaile Pranckunaite, Dorota Gaweda & Egle KulbokaiteAnna Mikkola, Christopher Kulendran Thomas and The Mycological Twist.

The press release does not reveal what the show will bring, but rather sounds like promotional material for a video game, with survival tips like “the environment is not kind,” and, “How you survive is up to you.” It echoes themes of online survival game called ‘Rust‘ by The Mycological — with contributions from Kulbokaite & Gaweda’s recently ended Agatha Valkyrie Ice project, as well as Mikkola — focused on how social and physical networks support each other.    

Visit the House of Egorn website for details.**

‘R U Still There?’ (2017) Exhibition image. Courtesy House of Egorn, Berlin.
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Slime moulds, submarine creatures + migrating birds in Ambient Intelligence at Enclave, Sep 21 – Oct 1

21 September 2017

The Ambient Intelligence group exhibition is on at London’s Enclave, opening September 21 and running to October 1.

Bringing together slime moulds, submarine creatures and migrating birds, the show looks at “processes of emergence of non-neuronal and expanded forms of intelligence, both in nature and technology” and features work by Joey Holder, Anna Mikkola and Jenna Sutela. 

There will also be accompanying events, including a performance by Rachel Cheung ‘Corporeal Computation’ on September 28 and 29, as well as ‘New Ecological Paradigms’ lectures by Aslak Aamot Kjærulff, Alexandra Anikina and Inigo Wilkins, and a screening of Air Kiss (a film by Karina Golubenko, Egor Kraft, Alina Kvirkveliya and Pekka Tynkkynen). 

The event is part of Deptford X Fringe 2017.

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The power of the meme in isthisit?’s magazine launch group show The Choice of a New Generation at The Muse, Aug 8 – 13

7 August 2017

Untitled and isthisit? present The Choice of a New Generation group exhibition at London’s The Muse Gallery, opening August 8 and running to August 13.

Part of isthisit? issue 2 magazine launch, and curated by Bob Bicknell-Knight for Untitled’s fourteenth event (ed’s note: programmed by Jonny Tanna), both look at “the power of the meme, it’s rise in contemporary culture and the widespread appropriation of images and videos being utilised, both in memes and artworks.” The exhibition features work by 18 artists, including Bora AkinciturkAnne de Boer, Joey HolderWill Kendrick and Yorkson, among others.

The publication — which includes artworks, essays, interviews and a podcast — features over 50 artists, including Ed FornielesBurkut KumCharles RichardsonSophie RogersPippa Eason, Rosie Back, Natalie Lambert and more.

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Major chords with minor adjustments: an exploration of affection in Non Standard

27 June 2017

The Non Standard group exhibition at Milan’s t-space opened June 8 and is running to July 23.

Non Standard (2017). Exhibition view. Courtesy t-space, Milan.

Curated by Mattia Giussani, the show looks at the relations between “human, nature and technology within 21st century networked capitalism” and includes new media works by UK-based artists Lea Collet & Marios Stamatis, Anne De Boer, Joey Holder, Anna Mikkola and Eva Papamargariti.

The exhibition also includes a text NON STANDARD: Human and technological mediations with surrounding environments  by Matilda Tjäder who explores the relationship between human affection, technology and our surrounding environments with an excerpt that reads, “A human hand picks it up, tightens and bends it, points it in the direction of a gathering point. Behind the back of all woodpecker-like dialogues, some have gathered to breath in choirs, to attest major chords with minor adjustments.”**

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A Weekend of Weird @ Martin Hall, Nov 26 – 27

23 November 2016

The A Weekend of Weird event is on at Loughborough’s Martin Hall, running November 26 to 27.

Organised by Radar in collaboration with Nick Freeman and Dan Watt, the programme will be host to a range of “writers, performers, filmmakers, artists, publishers, academics, enthusiasts and celebrants to ask: what is the Weird? Where did it come from? Where is it going?”.

There will be a number of panel discussions, including ‘Welcome to the Weird’, ‘European Weird’, a look at the ‘Weird World of Sarban’ and ‘Where are we? Being Weird Now’ among others. The three performances will feature Ben Judd‘s ‘Who Can Separate Us Now?’artist collective Reactor‘s ‘The Gold Ones’and Tai Shani‘s ‘Phantasmagoregasm’.

Joey Holder will present her ‘Weird World’ installation in the institutional foyer of the building for the duration of the event, showing “‘cyclopean’ imagery of strange aquatic creatures and beasties.”

Reactor have curated ‘Day Is Done’: a selection of films looking at the “interpretation and regurgitation” of culture, including a selection of YouTube videos by An0nymoooseCarmen Argote‘s ‘Everything is in its place, but Everything is everywhere’ (2016) Mike Kelley‘s carnivalesque ‘Day is Done’ (2005-6) and three video works from Simon Raven, among others.

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Laugh Magazine Issue 2 launch @ LD50, Sep 29

27 September 2016

Laugh Magazine is launching its second issue at London’s LD50 on September 29.

The new edition features work by Catherine Biocca, who recently took part in a two-person exhibition at Beijing’s I: project space last April, Aurora Sander, Geo Wyeth, and Joey Holder, who was one of five artists selected for the ‘Platform 2016’ programme of the Deptford X Festival.

Liv Wynter and Emily Pope will each perform the night of the launch. The evening includes video and installations with an after party at The Victoria in Dalston, which includes music from Poppy Tibbs and PUSSY MAFIA.

See the FB event page for more details.**

LAUGH Magazine Issue 2 Launch + Show @ LD 50, Sep 29

Image courtesy of Laugh Magazine.

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Deptford X Festival, Sep 23 – Oct 2

22 September 2016

The Deptford X Festival is launching across sites in the Southeast London area, running September 23 to October 2.

As the English capital’s longest-running contemporary visual arts festival, the event presents a new core programme entitled, ‘Platform 2016’. Five emerging contemporary artists have been commissioned to create new and ambitious site-specific works in the London Borough of Deptford, offering “key support to young artists with great potential at an often overlooked stage of their nascent careers”.

The five artists selected to take part are Berry PattenJohann ArensJoey HolderManuel Mathieu and Takeshi Shiomitsu.

The ten-day festival will see these ambitious visual arts projects installed in a diverse range of sites and venues across Deptford, forming the core programme of the festival, named ‘Platform 2016’, which sits alongside the parallel Fringe festival.

There will be an afterparty at Wünderlust with music by artist Hannah Perry and @Gaybar art collective.

See the Deptford X website for details.**

Takeshi Shiomitsu, WASH (2014) @ Happy Times install photo. Courtesy the artist.
Takeshi Shiomitsu, WASH (2014). Exhibition view. Courtesy the artist + Happy Times, London.
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Fundraiser Auction @ Losers Gym, Aug 19

18 August 2016

A selection of guest artists and studio members will take part in Fundraiser Auction hosted by Nottingham’s Losers Gym on August 19.

Viewing begins at 5:30pm and the auction commences at 7pm, featuring works by Jake Kent, Joey Holder, and Charlie Godet Thomas among others. The donated works will be affordable and accessible, helping to raise funds for a year-long program in 2016/17 and help towards future exhibitions and events.

Founded in 2014 as a shared studio space with Backlit, the project began as a collaboration and focuses on supporting emerging artists who are pre-career, engaging in both experimental and professional events.

Visit the FB event page for more details.**

Joey Holder, 'Thylacine', Photographic Print (2015)., courtesy of the artist + Losers Gym.
Joey Holder, ‘Thylacine’, Photographic Print (2015). Courtesy of the artist + Losers Gym.


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Joey Holder + Viktor Timofeev, Lament of Ur (2015) exhibition photos

14 June 2016

Karst, a contemporary art space in Plymouth, presented a two-person exhibition featuring works by Joey Holder and Viktor Timofeev titled Lament of Ur, which ran from November 18 until December 12, 2015. The two separate practices came together to create a dystopian environment that transforms the white-cube space into a dark organism that caves in on itself. Combining sculpture, prints, video, a mural painting and other appropriations like computer games and industrial fencing, the space becomes an urban territory that meditates on themes of the post-human, entrapment and conspiracy.

Without drawing attention to the artists’ individual practices, the show favours the synergy that happens through collaboration, welcoming a cross-contamination of authorship. The press release focuses on this aspect of the show:

“The complexity of their differences called to question the current assumption that they evolved from a similar point of origin. There was suspicion that something else was at work, which involved a highly specialized and self-assembled alchemy.”

Timofeev’s practice is invested in utopia/dystopia fictional worlds and the blueprints that create them, and Holder explores the natural and biological within digital fields.**

Exhibition photos, top right.

Joey Holder + Viktor Timofeev’s LAMENT OF UR was on at Plymouth’s Karst, running November 13 to December 12, 2015.

Header image: Joey Holder + Viktor Timofeev, ‘Lament of Ur’ (2015). Installation view. Courtesy of Karst Contemporary, Plymouth.




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Open Source 2016, May 28 – 29

27 May 2016

Open Source 2016 contemporary art festival is on at Londons’ Gillett Square in Dalston, running May 28 to 29.

The free weekend event and artist-run initiative brings together the art world private view into the public space with a series of screenings, live performances and installations from the likes of Larry Achiampong, Cory Arcangel, Benedict Drew, Joey Holder, Hannah Black, and Rachel Maclean, among others.

Organised by Emily Butler, Christine Eyene, Helen Nisbet, Joe Fletcher Orr & Doug Bowen, Richard H M Parry and Amy Sherlock, the theme this year follows “subcultures, identity, fluidity and self-determination” and will also include an immersive video game, ice cream, drones, VJ and DJ sets, street posters, experimental hair salon, and more.

See the Open Source website for details.**

Larry Achiampong performing at All Of Us Have A Sense Of Rhythm: An Evening of Live Music at DRAF, 2015. Photo: Dan Weill
Larry Achiampong @ All Of Us Have A Sense Of Rhythm: An Evening of Live Music (2015). Performance view. Photo by Dan Weill. Courtesy DRAF, London.
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Eloïse Bonneviot @ Greenray, Apr 29

29 April 2016

Eloïse Bonneviot is presenting her O Super (hu/wo-) man performance at London’s Green Ray, opening April 29.

As part of a series curated by Green Ray c0-founder Gabriela Acha, Bonneviot’s show is the first of several that include another one by the London-based artist on May 16, as well as events, installations and performances by Marija Bozinovska-JonesJoey Holder and Janina Lange.

The performance is introduced with an excerpt of lyrics from the softly sardonic song ‘Big Science‘ by artist Laurie Anderson (“Big Science./ Hallelujah.”) and a description that extrapolates on the effects of Big Data and automation on the body, language, abstraction and the paradoxical relationship between culture, nature and technology: “What is progress after all?”

See the FB event page for details.**

Anne de Boer + Eloise Bonnevoit, 'Shroom Music & Myco_educational_VJ-set’ (2014). Courtesy Helen Kaplinsky.
Anne de Boer + Eloise Bonnevoit, ‘Shroom Music & Myco_educational_VJ-set’ (2014). Courtesy Helen Kaplinsky.
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Tipping Points @ Podium, Apr 22 – May 8

22 April 2016

The Tipping Points — Flourish and Collapse in the Circularity of the Geostory group exhibition is on at Oslo’s Podium, opening April 22 and running to May 8.

Curated by Angela Chan and including artists Joey Holder and Jakob Kudsk Steensen among others, the show contemplates the so-called ‘tipping point’ of climate change and man-made mass species extinction.

The event opens on this year’s Earth Day with performances by Andreas Ervik, and Rachel Pimm with Lori E. Allen, amid calls for “an activation of symbiosis between Earthlings of all species, to end the hyper-branded avant-luxury environment of the Capitalocene and to eradicate all traces of the combusted Anthropocene.”

The press release takes a quote from author of the ‘Cyborg Manifesto’ Donna Harraway as a starting point, “I am a compost-ist, not a posthuman-ist: we are all compost, not posthuman” and ends on a projected “Chthulucene re-worlding for a multispecies ecojustice.”

See the WORM website for details.**

Joey Holder, Nematode (2015) @ Wysing Arts Centre. Installation view. Courtesy the artist.
Joey Holder, Nematode (2015) @ Wysing Arts Centre. Installation view. Courtesy the artist.
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Joey Holder + John Russell @ LD50, Apr 21 – May 29

21 April 2016

Joey Holder and John Russell are presenting joint exhibition, TETRAGRAMMATON, at London’s LD50, opening April 21 and running to May 29.

There’s little information available on the exhibition itself aside from its title: the Hebrew word for a deity consisting four letters (יהוה) that transliterates to YHWH, also known as ‘Yahweh’, also known as god.

The press image of a classical depiction of ‘Jesus Christ the Saviour’ beholds an unearthly bitcoin forum avatar and introduces the work of the two artists. Russell is a veteran video and net artist and Holder is an emerging artist who’s aesthetic grows from an interest in net art and science. Both of them share a similar aesthetic in what writer Augie March called the space where “the uncanny bleeds into the outright unsettling” in an aqnb interview-feature on Holder.

See the LD50 website for details.**

Joey Holder + John Russell, TETRAGRAMMATON (2016) @ LD50, London.

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Plastique Fantastique present After London, Apr 4 – 11

5 April 2016

Plastique Fantastique is presenting a series of events called After London, as part of a residency at London’s The Horse Hospital from April 4 to 11.

The events come as part of The Horse Hospitals’s broader Collective Intention: Affirmative visions from communes, collectives and cults programme, envisaged as a collection of human and inhuman avatars delivering communiqués from the extreme past and the future. The Berlin-based collective has curated screenings and performances to respond to titles: After London (we believe in the assets we do not believe in), which will take place on April 6, and After London (nothing is true, everything is permitted) on April 9.

The latter hosts a mixture of artists well known to each other and to a discourse of transformation, immersion, spillage, pop culture, synthetics and virtual space. Artists Da Thirst, Joey Holder, Benedict Drew, Plastique Fantastique, researcher Mikey Tompkins and art historian Ayesha Hameed will perform, while Mark Leckey‘s film, ‘LonDonateller’ will be screened.

Both events are accompanied by the same lengthy text that describes “what exactly happened” after London, where “the river is off limits …a boiling sludge …and the sky is off limits too …the bees have the air …nothing inside gets outside …and talk-talk only flies inside …”, and where “after London everyone outside struggles with the flood caused by the comet…”.

See the FB event pages for April 6 and April 9 for further details.**

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Moscow International Bienniale for Young Art 2016 announces artists

30 March 2016

The fifth Moscow International Bienniale for Young Art will happen this year from July 1 – August 10 in Moscow’s old textile factory, Trekhgornaya Manufaktura and it has just announced its 87 artists, two curators and its theme, Deep Inside.

Nadim Samman —general curator of the biennial—suggests the theme reflects, like the work submitted to the open call, such cultural developments as “ecological collapse, the dissolution of distinctions between ‘nature’ and technology, the inescapable topography of the network, and the interplay between transparency and opacity in the information age.”

Included in the line up are the likes of Joey Holder, Marguerite Humeau —who had a solo show at Berlin’s Import Projects, of which Samman is the founder, in 2014 —Paul Kneale, Julius von Bismarck, Chris Coy and Martin Callahan, all of whom work with these themes close to the words of Samman.

The curator explains the positing of the question of the inside as an alternative to fantasies of open untouched beaches, outer body avatar transfers and even dreams of colonising new lands like Mars that are perhaps not dreams or escapes, but traps. What if the price of tickets is too high?

See the exhibition page for more details.**

Marguerite Humeau, Echoes (2015), installation shot. Courtesy the artist and Duve
Marguerite Humeau, Echoes (2015), installation shot. Courtesy the artist and Duve







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Joey Holder + Viktor Timofeev @ Karst, Nov 13 – Dec 12

12 November 2015

Joey Holder and Viktor Timofeev are showing a collaborative exhibition, LAMENT OF UR, at Plymouth’s Karst Gallery, opening on November 13 and running from November 18, running to December 12.

Questioning the scientific assumptions of our individual and collective beginnings, the duo suggest that there is “no linear travel through space around the surface of a planet”.

Through a range of media this exhibition asks what past and what futures (what timescales) are possible if we question any singular point of origin.

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An interview with Joey Holder

29 September 2015

Joey Holder used to be a diving instructor, and has spent a correspondingly long time under the water. In retrospect, scuba diving is the scariest thing I’ve done. At the time it was great; a zero-gravity experience in a wholly foreign environment, with a 360 degree field of vision above and below. Plus the colours, and the warmth of the water (it was in the Caribbean, naturally), and the otherness of the fauna, and even strange things like the invasive but also comforting breathing apparatus. The trailing plumes of visible exhalation following each diver were all very powerful and evocative and at the time totally intoxicating.

But then: fear. The weight of the sea above, the alien-ness of the environment may be actually unwelcoming, the little technical dangers that only occur to anxious people. The technical integrity of the breathing apparatus, the bends.

Having spent some time under the water, it’s kind of hard not to let the knowledge of Holder’s previous career colour readings of her art; a preoccupation with the synthesis of nature and technology, an aesthetic palette and visual language of fluidity, digitally realised amorphous shapes, an indifference to the conventions of stasis manifesting in a thorough and ongoing exploration of digital space and the weightlessness it affords. Her practice is simultaneously broad and refined; broad in the sense that it spans group and solo exhibitions (she’s prolific), a legion of regularly-updated Tumblr pages (her email signature lists 11 separate links) and various residencies (she’s this year completed one at Wysing, and has work in their upcoming group show The Uncanny Valley).

Holder’s work’s refinement lies in its clear agenda. Her exhibitions support an expansive network of investigation, the Tumblr pages functioning as mood-boards, sketchbooks and image banks, useful to her but also to her audience for whom they provide a visual dictionary of context. Through them Holder archives images that shed light on both her aesthetic and conceptual preoccupations: bio-technologies, improbable creatures and environments, the uneasy proximity of the realization of science fiction into usable technology.

At the core of Holder’s practice lies a fascination with the natural world, and humanity’s interface with it. Her imagery is slick with bio-mucus and circuit-board coolant. The uncanny bleeds into the outright unsettling as she brings to light the alien in the terrestrial.

In an unusually anonymous pub in London’s Soho, we met up to discuss her work and upcoming exhibitions. This autumn she’s in three group shows –the aforementioned The Uncanny Valley, Exta at Deptford’s Res. gallery (running during Art Licks Weekend, October 2 to 4) and a joint exhibition with Viktor Timofeev called Lament of Ur at Karst.

Our conversation is illuminating and hallucinatory, the setting and her enthusiasm lightens Holder’s visions of Ballardian techno-human interfaces, aquatic molecular life that calmly and dispassionately adapts to the spoiled seas, and biologically engineered organisms with their inbuilt killswitches. I am left with visions of opaque jellyfish, floating through the seas of a de-populated earth. Through her online presence, as well as exhibiting, Joey Holder highlights the interlinked networks of organisms that exist in the world, with the digital analogous to the weightlessness of the deep sea.

Joey Holder, 'Multifunctional Gel Fertilizer' (2015) @ Plague of Diagrams. Installation view. Courtesy the artist.
Joey Holder, ‘Multifunctional Gel Fertilizer’ (2015) @ Plague of Diagrams. Installation view. Courtesy the artist.

Can you tell me a little bit about your upcoming exhibitions?

Joey Holder: The show at Res. is a show called Exta. It’s quite an abstract and theory-heavy… it’s kind of like slime-aesthetics, alien sort of stuff. But it sounds quite clever. It’s about slime, and weird shit; for this one they want me to do something with Dark Creatures, which is one of my Tumblrs, so I won’t be under my actual name, I’ll just be called that. I’m making a sort of trailer for the show; they’re doing a bigger show next spring, and I guess I see it as some sort of film-trailer or something for this bigger project.

Then I’m in a group show that’s happening at Wysing, called The Uncanny Valley. I’m basically doing a big floor piece for that.

I do a lot of shows, and I feel like my work is this continual process and output. I don’t think of my works as finished pieces, like static works within a gallery or something, so it’s quite nice to be invited to do lots of things. To somehow compartmentalize, or conceptualise or sort of seal off certain parts of my thinking, somehow.

I find the ‘Uncanny Valley’ as a concept so arresting, through it’s almost recursive description of a kind of human-engineered state where the proximity to flawless human-ness is what actually inspires negative feelings in humans…

JH: It’s really relevant. What’s happening now, with AI and robotics and stuff, how it starts to simulate life, I guess, becomes really fucking weird.

That’s something that I always think about in my own work, how we used to always separate humans from nature, or what we do from nature, when it’s actually part of the same thing.

I saw a quote in an interview with Dazed, “what we produce as humans is actually part of nature’s whole”. It sounded quite new-agey

JH: It is a bit like Gaia theory or something! But it is ultimately true, we are part of a bigger system. I’m not saying that it’s happy and balanced, but whatever happens in the world has a knock on effect. And we take resources from the earth, and are connected to other animals or something – not in a hippy-ish way at all, but like, I guess it’s like in a Timothy Morton sense as well.

I kind of always think about how everything we have as our technology ultimately comes from nature, although it’s not separate from us if that makes sense. You could think of any example, it comes from something that exists in nature. With what I’m interested in these days it becomes even weirder, because with stuff like synthetic biology we can ultimately not just take the wings of a bird and then replicate that, create an aeroplane wing or something, but actually take pieces of genetic code, and life, and essentially put that together -programme that into a new form of life. It’s actually using the stuff, using nature, for want of a better word, itself. It gets really fucking weird then.

Joey Holder, 'Dark Creatures' (2015). Video still. Courtesy the artist.
Joey Holder, ‘Dark Creatures’ (2015). Video still. Courtesy the artist.

Your engagement with these ideas goes beyond the superficial: it doesn’t seem like you just like these ideas, it seems like you understand them. Like you’ve researched them, you know how they work, and you can talk fluently about them.

JH: I wouldn’t say I can talk like a scientist about them in any respect, but some of my projects involve collaborations with scientists, and I have a lot of conversations with them. I did a big solo show called Hydrozoan, which came off a research residency I did. They paired me up with a couple of scientists from Nottingham university, they were plant scientists. I was researching aquaponics which is where you grow food from fish-waste, so you create a system where the fish are kind of providing the nutrients, the nitrates then gets kind of fed into the plants roots and then they grow. So I kind of simulated an aquaponics system within this show.

So yeah, it’s not just, I guess, appropriating the aesthetics of science. I guess I do do that, I don’t actually use, like I’m not a bio-artist as in, using scientific techniques within my work, I’m not actually doing stuff with live-tissues or anything like that, but…

I’m trying to understand why you would use the kind of imprecise tool of visual art to engage with the rational objectivity of science.

JH: I think that’s where the interest lies, really, because science is supposed to be this logical truth. And then scientists kind of build up to that. And I think that with science, or with any kind of system that we take up as a culture that then gets believed and then written down, that stuff is always subject to change, right? And so the next thing we find out, I mean it might not overthrow the whole thing, but there’ve been times when it has.

I guess maybe it’s like critiquing that static structure of that logic, or of language or something, and saying that it is quite malleable. Hopefully art can open something out within science, or question or critique it, in a way that gives people a different way of looking at it, whether it’s through this kind of Sci-Fi aesthetic, or anything else.

I’m kind of interested in very specialist research as well, and how that almost becomes its own system of logic. Maybe like contemporary art does; it starts referencing itself, and then you kind of have to be ‘in the know’ to be able to get into it or something.

Joey Holder, 'Dark Creatures' (2015) @ The Uncanny Valley. Installation view. Courtesy the artist.
Joey Holder, ‘Dark Creatures’ (2015) @ The Uncanny Valley. Installation view. Courtesy the artist.

You maintain a huge number of different Tumblrs accounts; how do they fit in to your practice?

JH: I was doing this job, I won’t tell you what but it was office-work stuff. I could get the job done really quickly, it was just a couple of hours in the day; it’s probably when I started to make more screen-based stuff. I’d got into net art, I guess, when I was just seriously bored at work, and wanted to find some way of breaking the screen. Breaking the monotony of the screen. That was when I really started to get into net art. Not post-internet art, but net art. I just started to make all these Tumblrs. I see them as mood boards, image collections that I can gain access to very quickly, and get ideas from or a feeling about something, or a project about something that’s a lot easier to access than putting stuff in folders.

I think when people started to become interested in my work was when I started sharing lots of images, and using these Tumblrs and stuff as a research tool. I think when people could see where I was coming from through this stream of research and through this process, that’s when they started to understand more about what the work was about. I guess I always kind of had a problem with the finished art object in the gallery. I always wanted to show that thing in motion or something. Show its progress. It’s just a moment in time of a continual process or way of working. The Tumblrs are more the sum, or the constellation of all these things and all these kind of strings, rather than this finished piece of work, if that makes sense.

Before I turned the Dictaphone on you mentioned that you used to be a scuba instructor; I find diving terrifying, I’d never do it again.

JH: I was really interested in why people were so scared, and I think there’s two main things. One is the equipment –it feels really alien and claustrophobic. And second, the main thing, is people’s fear of the –it’s the fear of the unknown. It’s not knowing what the fuck is down there. Because nine times out of ten, if you could get people calmed down to go down, and get them to look around, and show them a fish, or an octopus or something, then they’d be away. Suddenly because the world had opened up and they could see around them. It’s the fact that they have this idea that there’s this pitch black or something below them, or the abyss, something like that, where there are all these things that they don’t understand. Which is what, like within my work as well, I guess I’m drawn to; really odd things that are kind of beyond our comprehension. As humans we think of them as these alien things, ‘so outside of us, or things that look like they’re made of some other alien material or something; something that we just can’t comprehend.

Joey Holder, 'Dark Creatures' (2015). Video still. Courtesy the artist.
Joey Holder, ‘Dark Creatures’ (2015). Video still. Courtesy the artist.

What do you find compelling about this idea of the incomprehensible other?

JH: My interest in strange life-forms is about the limitations of our understanding, or language; that is about something that’s outside of the human system of reference, that we can’t get to grips with. I was talking about synthetic biology earlier; I’m also really interested in things that transcend out understanding of how nature operates.

I guess because we think as humans, which we are, we’re destroying thousands of habitats, and we’re killing millions of species, but then I’m interested in the other side of that as well, in quite an optimistic way what will happen when humans become extinct, something will take over. For example, we always thought about plastic as being this inert material that can’t biodegrade or rot; it doesn’t go back into the earth and become part of the cycle again. But now they’ve found that these microbes exist in the sea that are eating plasticYou know, so that kind of transcends our whole understanding. And these creatures might have come into being because of our direct action. Jellyfish are another example; jellyfish thrive in polluted waters, water dirtied by us. It’s kind of like this alien thing that we’ve got no idea about, but actually our actions are kind of creating these fucking odd lifeforms as well.

Do you think spending all that time underwater has influenced your practice?

JH: I’ve thought about that a lot. When you get used to scuba diving it’s like you’re weightless; with your buoyancy, you don’t go up and you don’t go down. So it’s a completely different space that you’re dealing with. You’re not walking on land, on gravity. I guess in terms of thinking about a gallery space though, I think it’s really helped me in terms of not… I mean going back to that thing about fixed objects in a gallery? The boring thing about post-internet art is a lot of it got taken off the internet and then put into this really clean, white gallery space and really cleaned up.

I kind of think that with the digital realm you can think about scuba diving as something that anything could happen within this space, or within a digital space. With the digital there is so much possibility for what can happen in there; you can be in a gaming environment, where it’s like you’re moving around a completely alien, different space, and I guess I think about that a lot in terms of creating this kind of liquid space, a space where things aren’t set by gravity.

Then between diving and the internet there’s a metaphor for the world, or something, as well. There’s all this crazy shit out there, these strange networks of creatures, all their communication, the way that they exist. It’s all here. We don’t have to go to outer space to find that, all of that stuff is here on earth. **

Joey Holder is a UK-based artist participating in the Exta group exhibition at London’s Res., part of Art Licks Weekend, running October 2 to 4, 2015.

Header image: Joey Holder, Nematode (2015) @ Wysing Arts Centre. Installation view. Courtesy the artist.

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